bryant 14/01/20 5:45 am Sorry back – seems one of the PA guys is
continuiing to shit on us in public – and is
being specific about myself and Jon in the
process. Trying to diffuse that through the
other PA guy, but with no luck.
sam 14/01/20 5:46 am what do you recommend?
bryant 14/01/20 5:49 am I think we need a cease and desist letter from
sam 14/01/20 5:49 am and shut their site down?
bryant 14/01/20 5:50 am I think that needs to go out as soon as
possible. If he continues, I think we need to
take some action.
sam 14/01/20 5:50 am do you recommend shutting them down
sam 14/01/20 5:50 am to get their attention?
bryant 14/01/20 5:51 am No, I think we fire a warning shot with the
letter. If that doesn’t work I think we come
down hard and furious in every way we can.
bryant 14/01/20 5:51 am If Mike manages to impair our ability to
operate we have legal recourse, but what good
does that do us if we go under because we miss
out on some big deal?
bryant 14/01/20 5:52 am Shutting them down now would just fuel the
bryant 14/01/20 5:52 am The letter gives him enough rope to either
hang himself, or climb off his soapbox.
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am do you have a sample cease & desist letter
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am i’d like to get it fired off today
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am im looking on my hard drive to see if i have
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am we put specific evidence, etc. and quote laws
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and fire a warning shot..
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and using his letter he sent us also as
evicence of breach
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and violating our confidentialty policies
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am as well as defamation
bryant 14/01/20 5:54 am Yeah, we have to do something. It needs to be
Mike ‘Gabe’ Krahulik to, and not Jerry ‘Tycho’
Parkinson. Jerry isn’t being vocal.
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am im seeing if i can find a sample copy of a
generic c&d .. then we put specfics in there..
and fax it to him on efront letterhead
and on the bottom we can do
cc: Melody Dapp Williams,
[full title, esquire, etc.]
that way it makes it seem intimidating that
the lawyer is ccd on it
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and we can send it to our lawyer as well
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am but it brings more credibiilty
bryant 14/01/20 5:56 am Yeah.
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and we order eerything to be ceased in 24
hours and retract everything they said
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and delete their postings
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am or we will take action
sam 14/01/20 5:58 am do you guys wnat to prepare it and ill review
it then you can fax to him?
bryant 14/01/20 5:59 am Yeah, have a template?
sam 14/01/20 5:59 am still searching 🙂
bryant 14/01/20 6:03 am Is Greg writing a letter as well? Or is that
the one Jerry is having me do the first draft
sam 14/01/20 6:04 am oh thats probably you.. not sure who was doing
bryant 14/01/20 6:04 am ok cool – just wanted to make sure we weren’t
bryant 14/01/20 6:05 am These people kill me. They’re so short
sighted and immature. I’ve been trying to
talk sense to Tycho but I’m not sure I’m
bryant 14/01/20 6:10 am So naive.
bryant 14/01/20 6:11 am I might have talked some sense to Tycho. I’m
going to watch the messageboards closely this
weekend to see if Gabe persists. If he does,
we’ll get the C&D out.
sam 14/01/20 6:11 am http://www.creditmania.com/Letters/cease.htm
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am one sample 🙂
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am looking for more
bryant 14/01/20 6:12 am In the meantime, I’ve got a lot of issues that
I want to try and work into the letter to try
and diffuse all of this. I don’t think pissed
of webmasters is the end of the world, but
better to have them on their backs wagging
their tails than snapping at us.
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am yes i agree
bryant 14/01/20 6:13 am Yeah, found some samples too. I might also
call in a favor from some people I know at
Paul Hastings under the premise that his
actions are endangering my livelihood by means
of endangering eF. If they’ll do it it will
be from eF, not from me so should work fine.
I hope they will, they’re some of the best.
bryant 14/01/20 6:15 am Some part of me is still carrying a Corps
mentality. I keep thinking a rifle butt to
some kneecaps would solve all our problems.
Instant collections and quiet webmasters. =)
sam 14/01/20 6:15 am i like that attitude 🙂
sam 14/01/20 6:16 am anyway we can work on SA? imnot sure if
jonathan fwd u my thoughts on that
bryant 14/01/20 6:16 am Not sure either, checking.
sam 14/01/20 6:16 am let me do it
bryant 14/01/20 6:16 am ok.
bryant 14/01/20 6:17 am My current plan with Lowtax is to get him on
the phone next time he’s available and find
out what he needs to get by. Not this $13k
crap – the guy can live on 1/5th of that in
bryant 14/01/20 6:17 am Perhaps if we can assure him that much at the
very least just until things get better then
he’ll be happy.
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am yeah i know.. actually if u want, put him on
our payroll on normal salary
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am or something
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and if things dont work out, he gets his site
back.. so he’s assured
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and would reduce the 13k
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and also
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am we can get him to do real revenue stuff that
ill fwd to you
bryant 14/01/20 6:18 am Yeah – something. Let me work on him, we have
a decent rapport.
bryant 14/01/20 6:19 am His #1 issue is server stability right now –
how soon are we at S4R?
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am and tell him to get his forum msg down in the
meanwhile.. and if we cant work anything out,
then he can rant and rave then 🙂
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am s4r..i ask matt and nate everday.. they said
they’re almost completed
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am w/ data transfer
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am let me ask matt again
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am if we get SA on our side, then PA ranting will
seem like its their fault
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am if he posts good stuff about efront 🙂
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am and they’re a community type of site.. so
bellwether sort of
bryant 14/01/20 6:20 am Yeah, that’s my biggest issue right now.
Everyone seems to think it’s okay to rant
about this issues in open public forums. It’s
not. I mean shit, they can certainly have
grievances and that’s a normal aspect of life,
but these people (kids) need to understand
that when they started taking money, it
stopped being a hobby and became a business.
sam 14/01/20 6:21 am yeah i know
bryant 14/01/20 6:21 am That’s my hurdle right now with the email –
make points like that while narrowing the gap
bryant 14/01/20 6:22 am Heh, the good news is that at least at the
moment, we have a lot of people coming to us
interested in being acquired. Since 1/1 I’ve
received more direct emails with people asking
to come aboard than in 3 months before.
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am i know..
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am if half of our webmasters leave, we can get
better contradcts with
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am 1 year terms.. and $ based on uniques
bryant 14/01/20 6:23 am lol, no kidding.
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am so i dont mind if ppl leave.. but we need to
do it gracefully
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am like sitepowerup.com i gracefully parted ways
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am (very bad clickthrus)
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am and trying to do the same w/ teenstation (too
many banners per user)
bryant 14/01/20 6:24 am Agree totally. Hey look, we can really
survive if we lose some of the ‘garbage’ sites
that will never be able to run anything but
RON stuff. If we’re already overpaying them –
then no harm no foul if they go.
roy7 1/13/200 1:08 PM I don’t like the
idea of cutting someone who
their best for us but we’ve let them
Someone like PA who hate us and wanted
along, yeah, they are gone. But Lowtax
pretty pro-eFront and trying to
sam 1/13/200 1:08 PM how has lowtax
sam 1/13/200 1:08 PM i was just
thinking in his best interest
roy7 1/13/200 1:09 PM Well he’s just
been cooperative in our reveune
stuff so far
as I know, and more patient than
most of us
would have been with the forum
roy7 1/13/200 1:25 PM Hurmph.
what the best way to monetize
like SA is. It’s popular (6m+ page
kinda famous (Ars are fans), and has a
following. Not sure if it’s
you can sell branded advertising
for, like a
“real” humor site.
sam 1/13/200 1:25 PM ya .. u cant sell
advertising on it.. its all
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM advertisers wont
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM however, u can do
srunner type of stuff
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM like amd
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM like mad
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM and xdrive
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM and everything
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM because its a
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM but we cant make
money if he doesnt promote
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM on a daily basis
sam 1/13/200 1:27 PM remember taht one
day he had srunner link (he
about it).. and it got lot of
sam 1/13/200 1:27 PM but i highly
doubt he’ll do all this for us
roy7 1/13/200 1:27 PM The tune will
change once he’s paid again. 🙂
bryant 14/01/20 6:26 am ok, cool – got the Lowtax stuff. I think
there’s something that can definitely be done
there. When it comes down to it he’s really
quite reasonable and mature (at least compared
to many of the others). More importantly,
they almost all respect him to a certain
degree so if he’s not anti- then maybe some of
them are less so.
bryant 14/01/20 6:27 am He can help us without transparently being our
puppet I suspect, and should be willing to do
sam 14/01/20 6:27 am yeah just talk to him.. tell him that we think
he can be a good spokesperson for efront to
the webmaster community and we want to
completely prioritize him and make sure he’s
taken care of
roy7: (5:42 PM) http://www.lumthemad.net
Whoa that’s odd. They claim we are throwing in
the towel and fired most of our staff last
sam: (5:43 PM) thats because of stupid SA
sam: (5:43 PM) he blatantly violated our NDA
sam: (5:43 PM) so i doubt he’s getting paid
sam: (5:44 PM) before some of our other
sam: (5:44 PM) who are in more need
sam: (5:44 PM) so he needs to retract what he
sam 16/01/20 11:05 am heh.. tim from aah wants to take over doing PA
sam 16/01/20 11:05 am he said he’ll make fun of lazy,
web-generation, immature whiny kiddies 🙂
sam 16/01/20 11:10 am iBLAMEj00 (ICQ#8906076) Wrote:
I know an artist that would probably love to
do it. =)
[another options.. kick PA guys out and we can
do the comics ourselves]
sam 16/01/20 11:13 am their email basically said they are not going
to cooperate with us.. thereby they are in
breach of the entire contract.. which means we
fire them and have no further obligations to
sam 16/01/20 11:32 am if you can work on restrucutirng some of the
agreements, i think that would help alot..
like SA gets 2cpm.. thats obscene and can’t
last ..lot of them like that
sam 16/01/20 11:41 am iBLAMEj00 (ICQ#8906076) Wrote:
Okay, artist is all lined up
bryant 16/01/20 11:50 am Yeah, I can move into restructuring people.
Re: PA, let me have 24 hours to see what I
can do. Presuming I can get them to talk at
all. I don’t have a copy of their email,
would you fwd when you get a chance?
sam 16/01/20 11:51 am Tims’s saying that the first storyline from
the new artist is about PA 🙂
sam 22/02/20 12:19 am thats ok 🙂 g3 was frantic cuz lowtax barged
into his office saying where’s the money. i
told g3 to send him home and make hime come
sam 03/03/20 2:01 pm i just emailed u the release.
also, someone took the emails on the
newsletter and invited everyone to the
yahoogroups 🙂 oh well.. i think we’re
wrapping up the signing of the biggest sites
and also we’ll use them talking on the yahoo
groups as violation of the nda.
sam 03/03/20 2:03 pm we should find the owner of the yahoo egruops
list and kick them out 🙂
bryant 03/03/20 2:05 pm Hmm, actually the egroups thing might be a
positive. There’s a lot of negativity in
there from time to time, but it’s also been a
good way for them to vent. Better yet they
either don’t know we’re in there or don’t care
– but it’s a good way for us to keep tabs on
general moods, etc.
sam 03/03/20 2:06 pm thats true yeah.. and when things turn around,
we can use that to deploy campaigns, etc.
bryant 03/03/20 2:06 pm Better to have them talking in front of us
than behind us. =)
bryant 03/03/20 2:11 pm Actually this is great – someone starts
yapping and we’ll just direct them to the
eGroup. Almost as if it was part of our own
plan to foster better communication.
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Jarret
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Just looking at his status.
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm does he say he doesnt?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm oh ok
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm He under 18?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm yes he was
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm Know if he still is?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm i think he might still be
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm That would help us I think.
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm Makes his parents liable for his actions.
bryant 05/03/20 12:07 pm Good way to put the fear of death in him. If
we can talk to the lawyer tomorrow that’s even
better. He has people who have been more than
happy to work with me getting behind him.
bryant 05/03/20 12:07 pm I wouldn’t say anything to him for the time
bryant 05/03/20 12:08 pm Going to be interesting to see how people I
talk to respond to me tomorrow.